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1Vector3 : zoompower(SvcMrk) Posted on April 03, 2008
by 1Vector3

Battlers, Builders, Change World

Posted on Apr 3rd, 2008 by 1Vector3 : zoompower(SvcMrk) 1Vector3
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picture: yin-yang symbol from ~KES


How Battlers and Builders Both Change the World

I've been intending to write this particular blog topic for six months, and today it got evoked from me by a question on the Great News Show pod/Group, so I am copy-pasting that post here.

The link to the thread is

http://pods.gaia.com/great_news_show/discussions/view/267807#267807

I had said

While I can see some value in anti-war, I resonate more with pro-peace. Spending time and attention on what you DO want, rather than on what you DONT want. But, the Shiva-Kali function is necessary too. Division of labor, I think, both needed to accomplish the Divine Purpose of a peaceful, loving, respectful, world of goodwill toward all.


and Amazume said

Are you mentioning Shiva Kali as in the destruction of the unreal, liberation from the ego? And what exactly do you mean by division of labor. Please share more, if possible.

so now I respond: [slightly edited from posted version]

That is one aspect of what I mean by the Shiva-Kali function, yes.

Hindu cosmology points to three fundamental processes at work constantly in our universe, making it what it is. They give each force a masculine and a feminine side or angle.

There is always creation going on, on every level and in every area of the universe: Brahma-Sarasvati. There is always development, maturation, thriving, flourishing, flowering, fruition going on: Vishnu-Lakshmi. And there is always dissolution, destruction, decay, death, dissolving, cessation, disappearance.

These processes are at work in galaxies, in solar systems, on planets, in nature, and in ourselves. Nearly anything that happens, can be classified as one of these three processes.
It's clear they form a cycle, and that all three are necessary to existence.

So, with respect to all human systems, institutions, societies, etc. these three also pertain.

I believe there are two kinds of people working today in our world, fostering the changes we all want. The Shiva-Kali folks are the opposers, the battlers, the ones seeking to STOP things, to END the bad stuff, to make the bad stuff go away, cease to exist. The Brahma-Sarasvati people are the builders of the new. They design, develop, invent, create, teach, implement, the BETTER ways, the NEW ways of living and relating and educating and doing business and ........

These two kinds of folks often disdain one another, but I see them as a DIVISION OF LABOR, both working toward creating a new world, doing different kinds of things, but both NECESSARY for the creation of a new world, a loving world, a peaceful world. Each has a different but necessary function.

The only glitch in this lovely analysis is the truth that energy and attention are creative, "What you resist, persists." "You get more of what you focus on, even if your focus is on getting rid of something." Thus, many spiritual teachers teach that when you focus on what you DON'T want, when you give it your time, attention, and emotional energy, you actually empower it, enlarge and amplify it, and perpetuate it !!!

The only way out I see is for the Shiva-Kali folks, the "battlers," to be super-careful and be totally aware of their ROLE IN THE CREATIVE PROCESS, so they see dismantling the old as a PHASE OF creation of the new. Many of them don't. They don't see beyond their noses. They don't see beyond the project of defeating this bill, or stopping this practice, or saving the seals from destruction, or stopping global warming, or picketing this company that does bad stuff, or protesting the war, or stopping pollution, etc. etc......

They think, it seems to me, that if they can just stop all the bad stuff, the world will be great, perfect, ideal. [That's why they don't look ahead, don't see themselves as a phase of creation.] But I don't think so. Stopping the bad stuff just creates a vacuum. It must be filled with new and better stuff. That is the role of the Builders.

Thus, I have to conclude, many Battlers are actually having the opposite effect on the world from what they wish and intend. This is very saddening and distressing to me.

Builders, like Battlers, operate in every area of life, each with their own special expertise and interests. Each person just does what they do, but it all adds up to a new world.

Is this making any sense? Thank you Amazume for evoking this from me !! I hope it was interesting and helpful to someone !!!

And comments, feedback, more than welcome.
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Nicole : lovelightsinger
about 2 hours later
Nicole said

yes, this is a concern of mine as well with activism. thanks will put in God Pod

Marmalade : Gaia Child
about 4 hours later
Marmalade said

I've been a fan of Saraswati for many years.  I don't know if that makes me a Builder, but I know that I'm not much of a Battler.  I just like to learn.

I read a nice explanation of Kali's purpose.  She opens our wounds with a Mother's care.  She tends to our wounds.  The wound must be cleansed before it can heal.  Similarly, the mind must be emptied before it can be filled.  And the present reality of war must be aknowledged before peace can be manifested.

But, as you say, maybe not many Battlers actually see it that way.

Amazume : Pure Light Combustion
about 11 hours later
Amazume said

Thank you OM for redirecting this stimulating discussion. With gratitude I read your view on Kali, Marmalade, thank you! Please find my two cents in the Great News Show pod  

here

Nicole : lovelightsinger
1 day later
Nicole said

marmalade as always you are so wise. bows to you too amazume… with love

1Vector3 : zoompower(SvcMrk)
1 day later
1Vector3 said

Amazing, Nicole, I was on my way here to say pretty much the same thing, when I got the Notification of your comment just above. So now I only need to say: DITTO !!!! Plus of course I appreciate YOUR comment, your similarity !!! Where did you put a mention in GodPod?

Marmalade, I totally agree that “the present reality of war must be acknowledged before peace can be manifested.” I didn't intend to imply otherwise. So I guess it depends on what “acknowledgment” would consist of, and the perspective or attitude of the acknowledging, its scope or the CONTEXT it put the “present reality” into, as I described.

And I want to let folks know that the discussion continues in the thread cited above on Great News Show Group.

Gratefully, OM Bastet

Amazume : Pure Light Combustion
2 days later
Amazume said

Thank you Nicole, for allowing our discussion to be noted by your thought provoking pod. Btw, love your new profile picture!

Anyway, the Great News Show pod keeps on buzzing with new entries these days. OM, I finally got to write a reply to you.

In appreciation,
Nell ;-)

kcidybom : Manager - Bank of Cosmic Connection
2 days later
kcidybom said

This is opportune, for me at this point in my life, to read these words, to think of this in this exact way.  You must have read my mind…;-)  Thank you.

1Vector3 : zoompower(SvcMrk)
3 days later
1Vector3 said

Hey, Albert, those words are the sweetest music to my ears. I am glad for you, and grateful to be of service. There is only One Mind, and we are portions of it….. IMO

Thanks Nicole; I had no idea you would post the whole blog as such !!!! We'll see what comments are generated there, or where that conversation goes. I urge folks to check there.

Nell, I had an extraordinarily busy last couple of days, and look forward to checking your reply on Great News Show.

Namaste, OM Bastet

Nicole : lovelightsinger
3 days later
Nicole said

you're welcome OM!

Neil, thanks, my imzadi likes my icon too… it comforts him  and me to see us swimming together …

Mila : Adventurer
26 days later
Mila said

I wonder how many more builders than battlers?  But then again, the positive collective passion is what matters more than the numbers.

1Vector3 : zoompower(SvcMrk)
26 days later
1Vector3 said

Thanks for your thoughts, Mila. I agree,  positive collective passion matters more than numbers. My impression at this point based on my limited exposure and experience is that battlers outnumber builders by maybe 100 to 1. But I think they are just currently more visible. The time for the builders is not fully here yet IMO.

Pretty new icon you have !!!!

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